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== Initial designs feedback: Dvorapa ==
{{Flow summary|[[phab:T267442|T267442: Make it more clear the title/subject field should be edited]]}}

*''What do you like about the proposed design?''
I like using the same environment for new discussion and for replying, I also quite like the way the editing field is incorporated in classical Wikipedia talk page design.

*''What do you wish was different in the proposal?''
There are two things I would be confused with. First I would not be sure what the gray area stands for, why is it there, is it a bug or a feature? Of course I would realize the whole thing after watching an animation after clicking at an "Add Topic" button. But until then I would be pretty confused even as a long time user of MediaWiki, as well as (I believe) would be confused novices.

The second thing I would be confused with is a heading field. At a first sight it looks like it its not editable and it is just a heading to the editing field. As an experienced user of MediaWiki, I would realize where to put message subject and message body, but I am afraid novices would understand this design as if the editing field was for message subject and there was no field for message text anywhere. Or there is no field for message subject anywhere and only a message body can be filled in.

*''Can you compare the designs being proposed here to to the current experience? Can you accomplish your current workflow for adding new discussions with this proposal?''
For me as an expecienced MediaWiki user it seems quite easy to create a new topic in both proposed and current designs. For novices the new design seems to be pretty straightforward about showing user the place, where new topic will go (just with the gray area meaning issue described above), but the UX might be a little bit more confusing than the current design (two similarly styled editing fields, one for message subject, one for message body VS. clearly one editing field for message body and one unclearly styled not-sure-if-editable field).

*''What other improvements do you think would be valuable for us to consider making to the new tool?''
I can't think of any currently. [[User:Dvorapa|Dvorapa]] ([[User talk:Dvorapa|talk]]) 15:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for your feedback {{FlowMention|Dvorapa}} 
:Can you help me to unpack the two things that you are confused about:
:#The gray box - are you referring to this? If so this is a placeholder image and not an actual text input. Although seeing this now I can understand why that could be confusing.[[File:Placeholder in new discussion mockup.png|none|501x501px]]
:#The heading field - I am wondering if the field looks ineditable in image because the focus is actually on the description field (the idea being that someone has written that title/subject and is in the process of writing the description). Is that accurate? If not can you explain the issue in a different way? [[User:JKlein (WMF)|JKlein (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JKlein (WMF)|talk]]) 17:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:1. Yes. After clicking Add Topic, I understand why it is here, but before clicking I was completely confused.
:2. No. I looked at the [[Talk_pages_project/New_discussion#Version_1.0|GIF animation]] how the whole process would look like. And to me, even when the heading field has got a focus, it still does not look like editable field! I would expect the whole heading to be in a blue frame/outline, not just underlined. It looks more like a step of instructions or like a heading to the editing field, really confusing. [[User:Dvorapa|Dvorapa]] ([[User talk:Dvorapa|talk]]) 19:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for clarifying {{FlowMention|Dvorapa}} - I will think about a way to make that feel more obvious. [[User:JKlein (WMF)|JKlein (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JKlein (WMF)|talk]]) 16:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)